Legislature(2001 - 2002)

05/06/2001 05:08 PM House JUD

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SB 161 - TIMELY JUDICIAL DECISIONS/ JUDGES' PAY                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG announced  the first  order of  business, CS  FOR                                                               
SENATE BILL NO. 161(FIN), "An  Act relating to the withholding of                                                               
salary of  justices, judges, and magistrates;  relating to prompt                                                               
decisions  by  justices,  judges, and  magistrates;  relating  to                                                               
judicial   retention  elections   for   judicial  officers;   and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0106                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVE DONLEY,  Alaska State  Legislature,  came forth  on                                                               
behalf of the Senate Judiciary  Standing Committee, sponsor of SB
161.   He stated that SB  161 updates and clarifies  existing law                                                               
requiring  judges to  provide a  salary  warrant indicating  they                                                               
don't have  any decisions  that have been  pending for  more than                                                               
six months.   It also  sets out state  policy, in Section  1, for                                                               
the majority  of cases to  be decided  within six months  and for                                                               
appellate  cases  to  be  decided   within  six  months  of  oral                                                               
argument.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY reported that SB  161 also provides information to                                                               
be included in  the voter's guide regarding  any judicial officer                                                               
who was  up for retention and  failed to issue a  salary warrant.                                                               
[Senate Bill  161] provides an  annual report to  the legislature                                                               
of how many cases had been  pending more than the periods of time                                                               
that are set out in the  policy as well as additional information                                                               
about the types  of cases that are taking longer  than the target                                                               
dates or times.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY  said SB 161 clarifies  that information regarding                                                               
salary  warrants of  the judges  is public  information.   In the                                                               
past,  there   was  some  difficulty   with  the   Department  of                                                               
Administration  refusing  to  provide  that  information  to  the                                                               
[Alaska]  Judicial Council,  which is  in charge  of ranking  and                                                               
reviewing the judges; without being  able to get the information,                                                               
the judicial council had difficulty making a full analysis.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL asked  Senator Donley  for the  rationale                                                               
behind the 2004 effective date.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY responded  that he thinks the effective  date is a                                                               
holdover from  the original bill,  which had  stricter guidelines                                                               
for appellate courts.  The late  effective date was there to give                                                               
the court more time to "gear up" and clear its docket.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0386                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  asked Senator  Donley what would  happen if                                                               
the  six months  go by  and  the judges  don't do  what they  are                                                               
supposed to do.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DONLEY answered  that  existing law  has  been in  place                                                               
since  statehood  whereby  in  order  for  judges  to  get  their                                                               
paychecks, they  must sign an  affidavit saying they have  had no                                                               
matter  pending for  more  than  six months.    Whereas [SB  161]                                                               
provides some fine-tuning, it doesn't change that basic system.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  asked whether  many [judges] have  not been                                                               
getting paid.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY replied that most  have been getting paid, because                                                               
most have  been able to  sign their  affidavits.  He  stated that                                                               
there are instances  when judges don't get paid and  have to deal                                                               
with a backlog.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  asked whether it  is just a delay  in their                                                               
paychecks.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DONLEY  answered  in  the affirmative.    He  said  [the                                                               
judges] won't lose their money;  once they catch up, they receive                                                               
their back pay.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0537                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  asked whether [SB  161] allows for  this to                                                               
be recorded in the election bulletin.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY  answered affirmatively.   He  said for  the first                                                               
time, a state policy is adopted  consistent with the goals of the                                                               
court system.  Also, it is  specified that if a judge hasn't been                                                               
able  to  fill out  the  affidavits  and  has violated  the  time                                                               
period, that  information would be  put before the voters  in the                                                               
voter's guide.   He added that  the judge has the  opportunity to                                                               
respond to that in the voter's guide.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES  asked  whether  there  have  been  studies                                                               
regarding the costs to the people  in court when a judge takes an                                                               
extended time to make a decision.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DONLEY responded  that most  decisions in  the appellate                                                               
courts have been  accomplished in under a year.   He thinks there                                                               
are about 20  cases currently before the supreme  court that have                                                               
been there  for more than a  year; few cases have  been there for                                                               
more than  two years; and one  case has been there  for more than                                                               
three years since the final  pleading.  The court recognizes that                                                               
it is too long  and is trying to live with  the policy of getting                                                               
them done within a year.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  asked where  in the bill  the one-year  policy is                                                               
mentioned.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DONLEY answered  that  it is  on page  1,  line 13,  and                                                               
states "that virtually all appellate  cases be decided within one                                                               
year  following   the  date   that  the   case  is   taken  under                                                               
advisement".                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0730                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG asked whether it is reflected in the statute.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY  explained that  the original  bill did  include a                                                               
one-year  provision for  appellate  courts.   The court  strongly                                                               
objected  and said  it  was unfair  to  hold individual  justices                                                               
responsible for the collective inability  of the appellate courts                                                               
to reach  a final  decision.  Additionally,  the courts  said the                                                               
position  of  the  court   administration  was  that  legislative                                                               
mandates,  as   far  as  judicial  time   decision  periods,  are                                                               
unconstitutional.   While recognizing  that the  six-month [rule]                                                               
has worked well,  they believe expanding it  to include appellate                                                               
courts  would foster  litigation  which would  likely  lead to  a                                                               
decision that it was unconstitutional.   Therefore, that has been                                                               
deleted  [from  the  original bill]  and  policy  guidelines  and                                                               
reporting  [back to  the legislature]  were  inserted, which  the                                                               
court system does not oppose.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG asked whether the  [final Senate version] reflects                                                               
a reaffirmation  on the  existing state  statute and  policy, and                                                               
clarifies it in relationship to a pamphlet and other reporting.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DONLEY responded  that that  is a  fair assessment.   He                                                               
said it is consistent with  existing policy and policy guidelines                                                               
that are  being adopted by the  supreme court, yet for  the first                                                               
time this is made public information.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG asked whether previously  this information was not                                                               
open to the public.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DONLEY  responded  that  several years  ago  the  Alaska                                                               
Judicial Council requested that  the Department of Administration                                                               
provide information regarding judicial warrants, but the                                                                        
department refused.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0963                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS CHRISTENSEN, Deputy Administrative  Director, Office of the                                                               
Administrative  Director, Alaska  Court  System,  came forth  and                                                               
stated  that the  purpose  of this  legislation  is to  encourage                                                               
timeliness  and  eliminate  any  unnecessary  delay  in  judicial                                                               
decision-making.  He said:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  chief justice  and other  members  of the  supreme                                                                    
     court share Senator  Donley's concern.  And  as many of                                                                    
     you know, they have been  taking many steps in the last                                                                    
     two years to address timeliness  issues.  Last year the                                                                    
     supreme court adopted very  detailed time standards for                                                                    
     the trial courts.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     "Time  standard"   is  a  quantifiable  goal   for  the                                                                    
     delivery  of court  services to  litigants.   Different                                                                    
     time  standards were  adopted  for  different kinds  of                                                                    
     cases.  Our computer system  is antiquated, but we hope                                                                    
     to start  issuing quarterly reports on  the achievement                                                                    
     of  these  time  standards  later   this  year.    Last                                                                    
     October, we used  federal funds to train  all judges on                                                                    
     case  management techniques.    We  have established  a                                                                    
     mentoring program  so that judges who  are particularly                                                                    
     efficient can take new judges  or less efficient judges                                                                    
     under  their wings  and teach  them the  tricks of  the                                                                    
     trade.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     As the chief  justice told you during her  State of the                                                                    
     Judiciary speech  a few months  ago, the  supreme court                                                                    
     is  also  committed  to shortening  time  in  appellate                                                                    
     cases.   About  two weeks  before this  legislation was                                                                    
     introduced,  the  court   adopted  time  standards  for                                                                    
     appellate court  cases and new procedures  for flagging                                                                    
     and  monitoring  cases so  that  cases  that are  being                                                                    
     delayed don't languish.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     I would  note that this is  very unusual.  While  it is                                                                    
     pretty  common   for  supreme  courts  to   adopt  time                                                                    
     standards for the trial  courts, it's almost unheard-of                                                                    
     for a  court outside  to adopt it  for itself,  but our                                                                    
     supreme court thinks this is important.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Judicial timeliness is an  important issue to everybody                                                                    
     in  this room.   We've  been actively  taking steps  to                                                                    
     address it [and]  we're going to continue.   Now, while                                                                    
     the  court system  did oppose  the original  version of                                                                    
     Senate  Bill 161,  the bill  sponsor has  done a  great                                                                    
     deal  of  work  on  it during  the  committee  process.                                                                    
     We're  very   appreciative  of  his  interest   in  our                                                                    
     concerns, and we do not  oppose the bill in its current                                                                    
     form.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The bill  makes a statement of  legislative intent that                                                                    
     we   believe  is   a  reasonable   expression  of   the                                                                    
     legislature's will.  In fact,  it is very, very similar                                                                    
     to  the  standards which  the  supreme  court has  been                                                                    
     adopting.   It  does provide  for some  extra reporting                                                                    
     requirements  on  judicial  timeliness,  both  for  the                                                                    
     benefits of the  electorate and for the  benefit of the                                                                    
     legislature as it's working on the annual budget.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1094                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTENSEN continued:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The issue  of the  six-month rule has  come up.  ... As                                                                    
     Senator Donley  noted, the rule  has been on  the books                                                                    
     since 1959.   Before any judge or magistrate  - we have                                                                    
     99 judges and  magistrates - can get  a paycheck, every                                                                    
     two weeks they  just sign this one  affidavit that they                                                                    
     have nothing  before them that's  ready for  a decision                                                                    
     to be made that has  been languishing for more than six                                                                    
     months.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Because the supreme court and  the court of appeals are                                                                    
     committees,  the  rule applies  to  the  member who  is                                                                    
     assigned  the  job  of writing  the  majority  opinion.                                                                    
     That opinion has to be  out in six months; however, the                                                                    
     full opinion  may not be  released for  some additional                                                                    
     length  of time  because it  is subject  to negotiation                                                                    
     and revision by the other  majority members.  After the                                                                    
     majority  opinion is  finished,  and only  then, can  a                                                                    
     dissent  be  written.   And  then,  typically once  the                                                                    
     dissent is  written, the majority opinion  is redrafted                                                                    
     to answer the dissent.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Right now,  we have  about 20,000 state  employees, and                                                                    
     the 99  judicial officers  are the  only ones  who have                                                                    
     their paychecks  withheld if they  are behind  on their                                                                    
     work.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Now,  I work  two hats.   I'm  the deputy  director, an                                                                    
     administrator, and as an administrator  I like the six-                                                                    
     month rule  because it  keeps the cases  moving.   As a                                                                    
     lawyer, on  the other hand,  and the person  who serves                                                                    
     as a general counsel for  the institution, I do believe                                                                    
     that  the existing  six-month rule  is unconstitutional                                                                    
     and wouldn't survive a legal  challenge.  It [has] been                                                                    
     followed for  40 years as  a matter of comity  - comity                                                                    
     being   respect  for   the  reasonable   wishes  of   a                                                                    
     coordinate branch government.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The   legislature  is   the   funding  authority;   the                                                                    
     legislature has  expressed a  desire that  decisions be                                                                    
     made within  six months; the legislature  has generally                                                                    
     provided funding  and resources  adequate to  get cases                                                                    
     resolved  within six  months;  therefore,  it would  be                                                                    
     unreasonable not to respect the legislature's wishes.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Last fiscal year  we had about 150,000  new cases filed                                                                    
     with  the  court  system.   During  that  fiscal  year,                                                                    
     courts  disposed of  150,000 existing  cases; that's  a                                                                    
     lot  of cases.   And  during  that year  there were,  I                                                                    
     believe, 25 occasions when a  judge or magistrate could                                                                    
     not  execute  the  affidavit  and  had  their  paycheck                                                                    
     withheld  for some  period of  time,  until they  could                                                                    
     execute  the  affidavit.   Twenty-five  delays  out  of                                                                    
     150,000  cases  under  the performance  measure  that's                                                                    
     been set  by the  legislature is  really a  pretty good                                                                    
     record, but it's not perfect.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     You might ask,  "Why is the supreme  court imposing new                                                                    
     time  standards   and  training   judges  to   be  more                                                                    
     efficient?"   And  pretty  simply,  the six-month  rule                                                                    
     applies to the period of  time once a decision is ready                                                                    
     to be made.   There's a whole period of  time in a case                                                                    
     before  [a] decision  is  ready to  be  made, when  the                                                                    
     lawyers are spinning  their wheels, conducting discover                                                                    
     [and]  having hearings.  ... We  strongly believe  that                                                                    
     through  better case  management techniques  and riding                                                                    
     herd on  the lawyers a  little better, we can  get that                                                                    
     period of time down as well.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Mr.  Chairman, the  basis  for our  view  that the  law                                                                    
     wouldn't survive  a legal challenge is  what's happened                                                                    
     in  other states.    There  are about  a  half a  dozen                                                                    
     states or so  that have a similar law  to our six-month                                                                    
     rule.     It's  been   challenged  three  times   -  in                                                                    
     Wisconsin,  Montana, and  Nevada.   Each time,  the law                                                                    
     was  thrown   out  for   reasons  which   are  directly                                                                    
     applicable under the Alaska constitution.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     First,  our   constitution  provides  that   a  judge's                                                                    
     compensation shall  not be  diminished during  the term                                                                    
     of office, except by a  general reduction applicable to                                                                    
     all state employees.   Now, Mr. Chairman,  as you know,                                                                    
     money has a  time value, and if you  withhold a judge's                                                                    
     salary for  a period  of time, you  have the  effect of                                                                    
     diminishing it.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     I think  the record ... was  set about 15 years  ago by                                                                    
     an  Anchorage   judge;  she  was  carrying   an  active                                                                    
     caseload of  800 cases, and  she had one case  that was                                                                    
     delayed  beyond  six  months,   ...  and  she  had  her                                                                    
     paycheck withheld for over four  months.  It is sort of                                                                    
     difficult to argue that that  didn't have the effect of                                                                    
     diminishing her salary during the course of the year.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1314                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTENSEN continued, stating:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Second,  under our  constitution the  supreme court  is                                                                    
     charged  with administering  the  judicial branch,  not                                                                    
     the legislature.  The six-month  rule is really sort of                                                                    
     a micromanagement  that goes to  the very heart  of the                                                                    
     supreme  court's authority  to  administer our  branch.                                                                    
     It applies  to the work  of every judge, every  day, in                                                                    
     every case.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Mr. Chairman, there is also  a whole line of cases from                                                                    
     other  states in  which the  legislature has  timelines                                                                    
     for courts  to conduct themselves  ... but has  not put                                                                    
     the penalty of withholding  paychecks.  There's about a                                                                    
     dozen  of those  cases and  with almost  unanimity -  I                                                                    
     think  with  one  exception -  those  cases  hold  that                                                                    
     legislatures can't set those timelines.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     There is a  rule of constitutional law  that one branch                                                                    
     of government  can't set a timeline  for another branch                                                                    
     to  carry  a constitutional  function.    This rule  is                                                                    
     generally  invoked  to  protect the  executive  or  the                                                                    
     legislature from  court orders, but rules  like this do                                                                    
     cut both ways.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Notwithstanding  our belief  that  the  current law  is                                                                    
     probably unconstitutional,  you've never heard  us come                                                                    
     into  the legislature  and complain  about it.   And  I                                                                    
     would  suspect   that  none  of  you   have  ever  been                                                                    
     approached  by your  local judge  and heard  complaints                                                                    
     about it.   We do hear  grumbling from time to  time in                                                                    
     court administration,  ... and  our answer  [is] always                                                                    
     the same:  "If you don't  like the law, file a lawsuit.                                                                    
     But until  you file  a lawsuit and  get it  thrown out,                                                                    
     get your  cases done and  get your affidavit in  if you                                                                    
     want a paycheck."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Our goal, I  think, is to make  sure that circumstances                                                                    
     don't arise  which would cause  1 of the  99 individual                                                                    
     judicial officers to decide to  file a lawsuit to throw                                                                    
     out the  six-month rule.   In the  states where  it has                                                                    
     been thrown out, the lawsuits  have always been brought                                                                    
     by individual judges who were  unhappy that their check                                                                    
     was withheld, never  by the supreme court  or the court                                                                    
     system as an institution.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     This  bill in  its  current form  eliminates all  those                                                                    
     things which we believe might  have resulted in a legal                                                                    
     challenge to the existing six-month rule.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG asked  whether [there could be  a legal challenge]                                                               
if [judges] decide to do so based on constitutional issues.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1440                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CHRISTENSEN responded  that they  could if  they wanted  to;                                                               
however, he  suspects most won't  because they believe  they have                                                               
adequate resources.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  asked whether the court  system has the                                                               
authority to impose its own sanctions on its membership.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTENSEN answered that Wisconsin  threw its version of the                                                               
six-month rule  out; the  supreme court,  in its  opinion, struck                                                               
down the  six-month rule but adopted  a court rule that  was very                                                               
similar.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES remarked  that she  wishes [the  committee]                                                               
would  do  that,  because  this  language  doesn't  seem  proper.                                                               
However, she agrees  "they ought to pull us out  of the fire" and                                                               
put in a  court rule.  She asked Mr.  Christensen whether it will                                                               
be more effective to have information in the election bulletin.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CHRISTENSEN responded  that [the  Alaska Court  System] does                                                               
not oppose  that.  He  said he could provide  the list of  the 25                                                               
times judges  had their  paychecks withheld  last year;  that has                                                               
always been a public record.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES remarked  that  she is  willing to  support                                                               
that because she thinks it is important for people to know.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1653                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  stated  that  it  seems  to  him  [the                                                               
legislature] is running afoul by  requiring the court officers to                                                               
insert information  about their  salary warrants in  the election                                                               
pamphlet.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  said there could be  a debate in terms  of power,                                                               
which resides in the legislature,  to establish election statutes                                                               
and  how  elections are  conducted.    He  said that  would  even                                                               
strengthen the position.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ asked  whether [the  legislature] would                                                               
require  any publication,  for example,  of  APOC (Alaska  Public                                                               
Offices  Commission)  violations  or ethics  convictions  in  the                                                               
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES  responded  that   there  is  a  difference                                                               
between putting  it in  the election pamphlet  and putting  it on                                                               
the ballot.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  stated that according to  correspondence from the                                                               
Alaska Judicial  Council requesting  the information in  order to                                                               
perform their job, he thinks it is legitimate.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1770                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTENSEN noted  that Bill Cotton from  the Alaska Judicial                                                               
Council has said he is going to  put this on their web site along                                                               
with the other information.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ, in reference  to the election pamphlet,                                                               
stated  that  the judicial  officers  are  bound by  some  strict                                                               
ethical requirements about what they  can and can't say, in terms                                                               
of their ability to run elections.   He asked whether it would be                                                               
permissible for a  judicial officer who was required  to put this                                                               
information in an election pamphlet to offer an explanation.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTENSEN responded that he didn't know.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1821                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DONLEY remarked  that they  do have  the opportunity  to                                                               
respond.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG asked  whether,  if  there is  a  charge made  in                                                               
public during the  course of the election, the judge  has a right                                                               
to respond.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CHRISTENSEN responded  that  once a  campaign committee  has                                                               
formed, a judge has the right to raise money and respond.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY remarked  that he thinks a judge has  the right to                                                               
respond on his or her own.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CHRISTENSEN stated  that  there  is a  very  strict code  of                                                               
judicial ethics that  restricts a lot of what a  judge is able to                                                               
say about a case that's pending  or impending in any court of the                                                               
state.  For example, if a judge  has handled a case and there are                                                               
charges  against  him  or  her  in that  case,  the  judge  can't                                                               
publicly make  certain comments while  it's still pending  in the                                                               
supreme court.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG remarked  that if it were printed  in the pamphlet                                                               
that [the  judge] did not receive  his or her warrants  a certain                                                               
number of times, the judge should  have the right to respond.  He                                                               
asked  whether  it is  because  of  "standing" issues  that  this                                                               
hasn't been challenged before.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1930                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTENSEN  responded that  a judge  would have  standing to                                                               
challenge;  so, probably,  would  the institution.   However,  he                                                               
didn't  know whether  a  member  of the  public  would have  that                                                               
power.   The only  people who suffer  any financial  hardship are                                                               
the 99 judicial  officers.  Logically, they're the  only ones who                                                               
would  be willing  to  spend  the money  to  be  relieved of  the                                                               
burden.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY informed the committee  that he is willing to take                                                               
advice from the court system as far as the effective date.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  asked Mr. Christensen,  "What's the burn  rate on                                                               
your case backlog?"                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTENSEN  answered that there  is nothing  mandatory about                                                               
the case backlog in [the bill].                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  asked whether  this should be  in effect  for the                                                               
next election.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTENSEN responded that since  it's now more advisory than                                                               
mandatory, he  believes it would  be fine to start  the beginning                                                               
of next year.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES made a motion  to adopt Amendment 1, on page                                                               
6, line 11 [to change the effective date to] January 1, 2002.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ objected.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY said he didn't have any objection to the date.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTENSEN remarked that he wouldn't have any objection.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ explained  that  his  objection to  the                                                               
bill is not  because of its subject, but is  based on his respect                                                               
for the separation of powers.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER  stated that the administration  has said it                                                               
is OK with  this date; if that weren't true,  he would agree with                                                               
Representative Berkowitz.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  remarked that  he doesn't  always agree                                                               
with the administration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG pointed out that  it is not the administration but                                                               
the courts.   He  commented that  he thinks  if this  bill merits                                                               
consideration by the  legislature, it should be  enforced for the                                                               
next election.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2148                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote was  taken.   Representatives Coghill,  Meyer,                                                               
James,   and   Rokeberg   voted   in  favor   of   Amendment   1.                                                               
Representatives   Berkowitz  and   Kookesh   voted  against   it.                                                               
[Representative  Ogan was  absent.]   Therefore, Amendment  1 was                                                               
adopted by a vote of 4-2.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  moved to report CSSB  161(FIN), as amended,                                                               
out  of   committee  with  individual  recommendations   and  the                                                               
accompanying zero fiscal note.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ objected.    He stated  that he  thinks                                                               
[the  legislature]  is  violating  the separation  of  powers  by                                                               
compelling  the judiciary  to  do  something.   He  said he'd  be                                                               
interested in hearing  how this action is not a  violation of the                                                               
separation of powers.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG   responded  that   the  administration   of  the                                                               
elections is in purview of  the legislature, which is the primary                                                               
reason  [why  this  is  not  a violation  of  the  separation  of                                                               
powers].   He said  he thinks  the public has  the right  to know                                                               
this information.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  remarked that he doesn't  dispute that;                                                               
however, he is  disputing that the legislature  is compelling not                                                               
only information about  elections, but that the  court system and                                                               
the judicial  officers must file  affidavits.  He said  he thinks                                                               
it is  an inappropriate intrusion  of the legislature  on matters                                                               
that should be left internally to the judiciary.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES noted that this  has been existing law since                                                               
statehood,  and  she  doesn't think  [the  committee]  should  be                                                               
discussing that portion of it.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  responded that there was  an indication                                                               
that  it is  unconstitutional, and  it is  only for  the sake  of                                                               
comity that the courts have not pursued an objection.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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A  roll call  vote was  taken.   Representatives Coghill,  Meyer,                                                               
James, and  Rokeberg voted in  favor of moving CSSB  161(FIN), as                                                               
amended.   Representatives  Berkowitz and  Kookesh voted  against                                                               
it.   [Representative  Ogan  was absent.]    Therefore, HCS  CSSB
161(JUD)  was   reported  from   the  House   Judiciary  Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                

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